Windows 7 email client

"Thip" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> I switched over to Windows Live Mail when OE quit working for my
Hotmail
> account. It's a good alternative. I first used it on XP and it
intuitively
> imported all my settings. When I moved to 7 Home I backed up all my
> settings, imported them to the new installation, and away I went.
Pretty
> painless.

"Thip"

At the present time I can import my backed-up (Memory Stick) .dbx files
via OE > File > Folder > Import > Messages ect. Are you saying that I
could do the same with Windows Live Mail?

"Emrys Davies" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Thip" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:7q72mnF4g2U1@mid.individual.net...
>> I switched over to Windows Live Mail when OE quit working for my
> Hotmail
>> account. It's a good alternative. I first used it on XP and it
> intuitively
>> imported all my settings. When I moved to 7 Home I backed up all my
>> settings, imported them to the new installation, and away I went.
> Pretty
>> painless.
>
> "Thip"
>
> At the present time I can import my backed-up (Memory Stick) .dbx files
> via OE > File > Folder > Import > Messages ect. Are you saying that I
> could do the same with Windows Live Mail?
>

That I am. I have a slave drive in my machine that I use for backups and My
Documents, etc., but same idea.

"Thip" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Emrys Davies" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:7q8ugkF5mdU1@mid.individual.net...
> >
> > "Thip" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:7q72mnF4g2U1@mid.individual.net...
> >> I switched over to Windows Live Mail when OE quit working for my
> > Hotmail
> >> account. It's a good alternative. I first used it on XP and it
> > intuitively
> >> imported all my settings. When I moved to 7 Home I backed up all
my
> >> settings, imported them to the new installation, and away I went.
> > Pretty
> >> painless.
> >
> > "Thip"
> >
> > At the present time I can import my backed-up (Memory Stick) .dbx
files
> > via OE > File > Folder > Import > Messages ect. Are you saying that
I
> > could do the same with Windows Live Mail?
> >
>
> That I am. I have a slave drive in my machine that I use for backups
and My
> Documents, etc., but same idea.

Thanks for that. Just a point: I know that Win7 has IE8 as a
component, but does the latter contain Windows Explorer where my present
..dbx files are stored?
>

"Emrys Davies" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Thip" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:7q8utnF7siU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "Emrys Davies" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:7q8ugkF5mdU1@mid.individual.net...
>> >
>> > "Thip" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> > news:7q72mnF4g2U1@mid.individual.net...
>> >> I switched over to Windows Live Mail when OE quit working for my
>> > Hotmail
>> >> account. It's a good alternative. I first used it on XP and it
>> > intuitively
>> >> imported all my settings. When I moved to 7 Home I backed up all
> my
>> >> settings, imported them to the new installation, and away I went.
>> > Pretty
>> >> painless.
>> >
>> > "Thip"
>> >
>> > At the present time I can import my backed-up (Memory Stick) .dbx
> files
>> > via OE > File > Folder > Import > Messages ect. Are you saying that
> I
>> > could do the same with Windows Live Mail?
>> >
>>
>> That I am. I have a slave drive in my machine that I use for backups
> and My
>> Documents, etc., but same idea.
>
> Thanks for that. Just a point: I know that Win7 has IE8 as a
> component, but does the latter contain Windows Explorer where my present
> .dbx files are stored?
>>

No. Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer are two different animals. In
my version of 7 (Home), bringing up Windows Explorer actually brings up a
"library" containing links to Documents, Pictures, etc. Windows Live Mail
data is stored in C:\Users\{username}\AppData\ Local\Microsoft\Windows Live
Mail

"Thip" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Emrys Davies" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Thip" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:7q8utnF7siU1@mid.individual.net...
> >>
> >>
> >> "Emrys Davies" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >> news:7q8ugkF5mdU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> >
> >> > "Thip" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:7q72mnF4g2U1@mid.individual.net...
> >> >> I switched over to Windows Live Mail when OE quit working for my
> >> > Hotmail
> >> >> account. It's a good alternative. I first used it on XP and it
> >> > intuitively
> >> >> imported all my settings. When I moved to 7 Home I backed up
all
> > my
> >> >> settings, imported them to the new installation, and away I
went.
> >> > Pretty
> >> >> painless.
> >> >
> >> > "Thip"
> >> >
> >> > At the present time I can import my backed-up (Memory Stick) .dbx
> > files
> >> > via OE > File > Folder > Import > Messages ect. Are you saying
that
> > I
> >> > could do the same with Windows Live Mail?
> >> >
> >>
> >> That I am. I have a slave drive in my machine that I use for
backups
> > and My
> >> Documents, etc., but same idea.
> >
> > Thanks for that. Just a point: I know that Win7 has IE8 as a
> > component, but does the latter contain Windows Explorer where my
present
> > .dbx files are stored?
> >>
>
> No. Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer are two different animals.
In
> my version of 7 (Home), bringing up Windows Explorer actually brings
up a
> "library" containing links to Documents, Pictures, etc. Windows Live
Mail
> data is stored in C:\Users\{username}\AppData\ Local\Microsoft\Windows
Live
> Mail

Thanks for that. I can see that I have some catching up to do, but that
is because I have been sitting around from scratch with this very
reliable dan machine for nearly ten years. I am also researching tv's
because my trusted Sony Trinitron crt is also likely to wane. Busy
times, but enjoyable!!

"Emrys Davies" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> Thanks for that. I can see that I have some catching up to do, but that
> is because I have been sitting around from scratch with this very
> reliable dan machine for nearly ten years. I am also researching tv's
> because my trusted Sony Trinitron crt is also likely to wane. Busy
> times, but enjoyable!!
>


We all need a good challenge periodically. Keeps us sharp, eh?

Hi, Emrys.

> I know that Win7 has IE8 as a
> component, but does the latter contain Windows Explorer where my present
> .dbx files are stored?

First, as Thip said, Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer are entirely
separate. IE is the Internet browser. WE "explores" your own hard disk -
just as the File Manager did in early Windows versions - and as Dir did in
the original MS-DOS (and still does in a Command Prompt window).

That means that your .dbx files - and other files - are not "stored in"
Windows Explorer. WE is simply the tool we use to see which files are
stored on our hard drive, and which volume ("drive") and folder they are
stored in. WE is probably the most-basic and most-used of all the Windows
tools,

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

"Emrys Davies" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Thip" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:7q8utnF7siU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "Emrys Davies" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:7q8ugkF5mdU1@mid.individual.net...
>> >
>> > "Thip" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> > news:7q72mnF4g2U1@mid.individual.net...
>> >> I switched over to Windows Live Mail when OE quit working for my
>> > Hotmail
>> >> account. It's a good alternative. I first used it on XP and it
>> > intuitively
>> >> imported all my settings. When I moved to 7 Home I backed up all
> my
>> >> settings, imported them to the new installation, and away I went.
>> > Pretty
>> >> painless.
>> >
>> > "Thip"
>> >
>> > At the present time I can import my backed-up (Memory Stick) .dbx
> files
>> > via OE > File > Folder > Import > Messages ect. Are you saying that
> I
>> > could do the same with Windows Live Mail?
>> >
>>
>> That I am. I have a slave drive in my machine that I use for backups
> and My
>> Documents, etc., but same idea.
>
> Thanks for that. Just a point: I know that Win7 has IE8 as a
> component, but does the latter contain Windows Explorer where my present
> .dbx files are stored?

On 02/01/2010 in message
<3-SdnTmDhe1I_6LWnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@posted.grandecom> R. C. White wrote:

>WE is probably the most-basic and most-used of all the Windows tools,

I'd like to take issue with you on that :-)

The number of times I have been asked to help people and when I say 'OK,
let's start Explorer' I get either a totally blank look or they start IE
is countless.
Some people are aware of it in a roundabout way - perhaps as 'My
Documents' but very few 'normal' users seem to be aware of it as Explorer
or Windows Explorer.
It *should* be the most-known and most-used tool, it is the window to your
data which is probably the most valuable thing on the computer.

Somehow or other many people who started to use computers after the days
of DOS seem to really struggle with the concept of how files are stored.

I occasionally help out a neighbour here. She had never heard of Explorer
so I showed her how to start it with a view to showing her what it does. I
almost fell to the floor with my head in my hands when it finally opened
at 'my documents' (it took forever). Every file she had saved was in a
directory of the same name, so 'letter to Jim.doc' was in a folder called
'letter to Jim'. As a consequence she has hundreds of directories. It
would take hours, if not days, to sort that lot into a sensible structure.

I would find life a lot easier if Explorer was the most used tool on a PC!

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

On 01/01/2010 2:14 PM, Emrys Davies wrote:
> "Bert Coules"<mal@bertcoules.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:q5adnWON6q86xqPWnZ2dnUVZ8lednZ2d@brightview.c o.uk...
>> I transferred all my saved messages and mail folders into Live Mail on
> my
>> new Win7 PC with no problems at all, and the basic layout can be
> configured
>> to match the Outlook Express layout I was used to, so the handover was
>> really pretty painless.
>>
>> I don't like the way that mail and newsgroup messages have to be
> accessed
>> separately, and I don't understand why the simple command Send/Receive
>> Messages has been changed to the incomprehensible and uninformative
> "Sync",
>> but I've got used to both these changes.
>>
>> One major fault with the program for me is that it's extremely
> difficult to
>> distinguish between new messages and ones that have been read: the
> diffeence
>> in the way their headings are displayed is extremely minimal.
>>
>> The other aspect of Live Mail which I would like to see changed is the
>> colour scheme: a horrible wishy-washy pastel arrangement which to my
> eyes
>> makes the various elements very hard to distinguish from each other.
> It
>> can be changed, but only to other wishy-washy pastel arrangements.
> I'm
>> hoping that a wider choice of alternatives will become available
> pretty
>> soon.
>>
>> Bert
>
> Gentlemen, how lucky I was to find this site. Windows Live Mail it will
> be and from what I have just read I feel that I am already some way into
> its format, although a few hours ago I had not even heard of it because
> I have been so wrapped up in OE.
>
> Canuck57: I downloaded "Thunderbird" but when I tried to set it up my
> PC said "Illegal Operation" and that was it for the moment.
>
> I am very impressed with all of your contributions and I thank you a
> lot.
>
> Regards,
> Emrys Davies.

It worked for me and millions of others. But then, I used Firefox to
download it too. In fact, the first piece of SW I load is Firefox.

What drove to to Thunderbird was neccessity. For many years I used OE
on XP. OE worked OK in XP with occasional IMAP errors, with Vista it
became unworkable and doing Live crapware didn't do a thing to fix it.
In fact, I never did get the IMAP servers I use working right with Live.

Plus, I found a scenario where I could logout of a Windows PC at work,
log back in and Live junk was still authenticated! Not very good at
all. I am mobile, so IMAP is my friend. Plus being IMAP I don't have
to worry about which client I am using and MS mail upgrade issues don't
exist. Once in IMAP, I am home free for ackups, storage etc.

Any long term mail I keep, I move it to my own IMAP server where backing
it up is trivial. Plus, when changing clients, it is mighty nice to be
using IMAP as I don't have to wory about which PC the POP3 downloaded it to.

I might be an advanced user, some 3 POP and 6 IMAP acounts. But
Thunderbird handles it without errors. And news groups too!

Hi, Jeff.

> I'd like to take issue with you on that :-)

OK. I figured somebody would. ;^}

I almost added a line about "whether they realize it or not", since so often
we use the directory system without even knowing what is going on "under the
hood". So we are not using the actual Windows Explorer interface, but the
file system that supports it.

Your story about the "letter to Jim" folder reminds me of my first encounter
with a hard drive on a personal computer. It was on a TRS-80 Model II, back
about 1982 or so. It was a monster drive, 5 MEGAbytes! And it was about
the size of a current desktop computer tower, roughly 2 feet square and
nearly a foot tall. And NOISY and heavy! My tax client was an individual
with a dozen or so separate companies and he had hired a data processing
"expert" to design a system to manage all those bank accounts. The expert
created an accounting system that stored each month's activity for each bank
account in a separate directory. And that was using TRS-DOS, even before
MS-DOS. Just producing a DIR listing took a very long time - and a lot of
paper!

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

"Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 02/01/2010 in message
> <3-SdnTmDhe1I_6LWnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@posted.grandecom> R. C. White wrote:
>
>>WE is probably the most-basic and most-used of all the Windows tools,
>
> I'd like to take issue with you on that :-)
>
> The number of times I have been asked to help people and when I say 'OK,
> let's start Explorer' I get either a totally blank look or they start IE
> is countless.
> Some people are aware of it in a roundabout way - perhaps as 'My
> Documents' but very few 'normal' users seem to be aware of it as Explorer
> or Windows Explorer.
> It *should* be the most-known and most-used tool, it is the window to your
> data which is probably the most valuable thing on the computer.
>
> Somehow or other many people who started to use computers after the days
> of DOS seem to really struggle with the concept of how files are stored.
>
> I occasionally help out a neighbour here. She had never heard of Explorer
> so I showed her how to start it with a view to showing her what it does. I
> almost fell to the floor with my head in my hands when it finally opened
> at 'my documents' (it took forever). Every file she had saved was in a
> directory of the same name, so 'letter to Jim.doc' was in a folder called
> 'letter to Jim'. As a consequence she has hundreds of directories. It
> would take hours, if not days, to sort that lot into a sensible structure.
>
> I would find life a lot easier if Explorer was the most used tool on a PC!
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines Dorset UK